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		<title>Comment on Lifestream Summary Week 11 and latest draft of the final assignment task by sbayne</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/2015/03/29/lifestream-summary-and-latest-draft-of-the-final-assignment-task/#comment-259</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2015 10:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miles - for me this is shaping up very interestingly, and I particularly like the critical issues you describe as raised by Chun. It might be worth focusing on just one of these within the context of your own project: for example normativity and ideology within he cross-cultural exchanges of your video project. My main advice would be not to let it get too &#039;big&#039; but to give a detailed and thoughtful critique of one particular aspect of the project.

The title *is* quite long! And perhaps it&#039;s also still trying to do too much, which leads me to try to reinforce the message above about focus. Something tighter like &#039;Digital culture and language learning: a critical perspective on &quot;community&#039;&quot;&#039; might work well for you?

Once your thinking has developed a bit more, please feel free to run your ideas for the medium of the essay and (if relevant) your nominated assessment criteria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles &#8211; for me this is shaping up very interestingly, and I particularly like the critical issues you describe as raised by Chun. It might be worth focusing on just one of these within the context of your own project: for example normativity and ideology within he cross-cultural exchanges of your video project. My main advice would be not to let it get too &#8216;big&#8217; but to give a detailed and thoughtful critique of one particular aspect of the project.</p>
<p>The title *is* quite long! And perhaps it&#8217;s also still trying to do too much, which leads me to try to reinforce the message above about focus. Something tighter like &#8216;Digital culture and language learning: a critical perspective on &#8220;community'&#8221;&#8216; might work well for you?</p>
<p>Once your thinking has developed a bit more, please feel free to run your ideas for the medium of the essay and (if relevant) your nominated assessment criteria.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disciplined by Algorithms by mprowse</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sian, Wonderful insights as always. The traffic light system (I took a look at the article you mention) is not for me, partly for the reasons of over simplification you mention, but also because of a feeling of a kind of &#039;punitive imperative&#039; which it implies, it sort of takes us back to &#039;Follow the Judas sheep: materializing post-qualitative methodology in zooethnographic space&#039; (Penderson, 2013). Surely an authentic (extent) of reflexivity (for learners and educators) within the field of activity and interaction is required to input sufficient values and parameters for an algorithmic application, which might then be sympathetic to proper interrogation by both parties, equally? Pity I can&#039;t fit this thought into a Tweet! Might try now (I am too wordy). Thanks once again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sian, Wonderful insights as always. The traffic light system (I took a look at the article you mention) is not for me, partly for the reasons of over simplification you mention, but also because of a feeling of a kind of &#8216;punitive imperative&#8217; which it implies, it sort of takes us back to &#8216;Follow the Judas sheep: materializing post-qualitative methodology in zooethnographic space&#8217; (Penderson, 2013). Surely an authentic (extent) of reflexivity (for learners and educators) within the field of activity and interaction is required to input sufficient values and parameters for an algorithmic application, which might then be sympathetic to proper interrogation by both parties, equally? Pity I can&#8217;t fit this thought into a Tweet! Might try now (I am too wordy). Thanks once again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disciplined by Algorithms by mprowse</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy, Thank you for your thoughtful detailed comments, a great help. I certainly agree that I went too far with the reference to an &#039;intentionality&#039; (maybe far future looking here), part of the process of thinking my way through things I suppose, and yes the focus was really on distributed relational ontology, epistemic and cognitive value. On the point of future my conduct, Quillconnect clearly encourages me to be &#039;positive&#039; in my Tweeting  (or continue being so, perhaps, such flattery!), and is not afraid of making comparisons between me and my followers. Reminds me of yours and Sian&#039;s jokes about HAL and performance appraisals during our film festival Hangout, which I suppose is quite apt and as on topic at this juncture! Thanks once again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, Thank you for your thoughtful detailed comments, a great help. I certainly agree that I went too far with the reference to an &#8216;intentionality&#8217; (maybe far future looking here), part of the process of thinking my way through things I suppose, and yes the focus was really on distributed relational ontology, epistemic and cognitive value. On the point of future my conduct, Quillconnect clearly encourages me to be &#8216;positive&#8217; in my Tweeting  (or continue being so, perhaps, such flattery!), and is not afraid of making comparisons between me and my followers. Reminds me of yours and Sian&#8217;s jokes about HAL and performance appraisals during our film festival Hangout, which I suppose is quite apt and as on topic at this juncture! Thanks once again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disciplined by Algorithms by Jeremy Knox</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/2015/03/07/disciplined-by-algorithms/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Knox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;there are some precepts in terms of a kind of corporate expectation regarding engagement&#039;

This is a really important point I think. QuillConnect has clearly predetermined a particular kind of &#039;normal&#039; Twitter user, against which you have been judged. However, a corporate use of social media would seem to be more about marketing and being seen to be present, rather than participating with some kind of educational agenda?

&#039;my Facebook page displays prominently to me my incomplete profile (and by what percentage)- pushing me with suggestions of how many friends live in certain proximities and should I like to choose these as a current location, or as a previous life and so on. &#039;

Indeed, and the QuillConnect report must have also made suggestions about the kind of future conduct you should be aiming for. Perhaps the number of tweets you should send a week, or the &#039;sentiment&#039; with which you write?

&#039;part of a kind of intentionality which has an ontological as well as epistemic or cognitive value independent, or at least not reducible to me, or any other single individual or indeed potentially any single algorithm perhaps.&#039;

Really liked this summary Miles. I guess I wouldn&#039;t use the term &#039;intentionality&#039;, due to its focus on the human mind and its ability to represent, however I agree that a useful way to look at this is to consider a kind of distributed, relational ontology. I particularly like how you highlight the &#039;for you&#039; - great point. It seems to emphasise a position that is entirely the opposite: that these algorithms are somehow discovering deep truths about us as individuals, rather than integrating our activity data with much broader societal behaviours. 

I think your final point here is excellent too: what we &#039;get back&#039; for our personal data (particularly with the Google suite of services) is easy of transition between things. Life is just easier when you are automatically signed in, and I think things are increasingly designed that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;there are some precepts in terms of a kind of corporate expectation regarding engagement&#8217;</p>
<p>This is a really important point I think. QuillConnect has clearly predetermined a particular kind of &#8216;normal&#8217; Twitter user, against which you have been judged. However, a corporate use of social media would seem to be more about marketing and being seen to be present, rather than participating with some kind of educational agenda?</p>
<p>&#8216;my Facebook page displays prominently to me my incomplete profile (and by what percentage)- pushing me with suggestions of how many friends live in certain proximities and should I like to choose these as a current location, or as a previous life and so on. &#8216;</p>
<p>Indeed, and the QuillConnect report must have also made suggestions about the kind of future conduct you should be aiming for. Perhaps the number of tweets you should send a week, or the &#8216;sentiment&#8217; with which you write?</p>
<p>&#8216;part of a kind of intentionality which has an ontological as well as epistemic or cognitive value independent, or at least not reducible to me, or any other single individual or indeed potentially any single algorithm perhaps.&#8217;</p>
<p>Really liked this summary Miles. I guess I wouldn&#8217;t use the term &#8216;intentionality&#8217;, due to its focus on the human mind and its ability to represent, however I agree that a useful way to look at this is to consider a kind of distributed, relational ontology. I particularly like how you highlight the &#8216;for you&#8217; &#8211; great point. It seems to emphasise a position that is entirely the opposite: that these algorithms are somehow discovering deep truths about us as individuals, rather than integrating our activity data with much broader societal behaviours. </p>
<p>I think your final point here is excellent too: what we &#8216;get back&#8217; for our personal data (particularly with the Google suite of services) is easy of transition between things. Life is just easier when you are automatically signed in, and I think things are increasingly designed that way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disciplined by Algorithms by sbayne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sbayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating stuff Miles, in particular the way you foreground this imperative to &#039;complete the profile&#039;: it makes me think of the visualisation of &#039;completion&#039; via progress bars and the like which I guess tap into a psychological need of users (this seems to be quite well documented in the HCI literature, and perhaps relates to the feeling of &#039;guilt&#039; you mention in relation to a &#039;failure&#039; to complete it).

I wonder what the implications might be for the representation of data in learning analytics, as I share a general concern that the oversimplification of data visualisation in things like the famous Purdue &#039;traffic lights&#039; system (http://www.educause.edu/ero/article/signals-applying-academic-analytics) reifies data that is already reductive, and reduces our capacity to interrogate and understand how that data is worked on algorithmically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating stuff Miles, in particular the way you foreground this imperative to &#8216;complete the profile': it makes me think of the visualisation of &#8216;completion&#8217; via progress bars and the like which I guess tap into a psychological need of users (this seems to be quite well documented in the HCI literature, and perhaps relates to the feeling of &#8216;guilt&#8217; you mention in relation to a &#8216;failure&#8217; to complete it).</p>
<p>I wonder what the implications might be for the representation of data in learning analytics, as I share a general concern that the oversimplification of data visualisation in things like the famous Purdue &#8216;traffic lights&#8217; system (<a href="http://www.educause.edu/ero/article/signals-applying-academic-analytics" rel="nofollow">http://www.educause.edu/ero/article/signals-applying-academic-analytics</a>) reifies data that is already reductive, and reduces our capacity to interrogate and understand how that data is worked on algorithmically.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lifestream Post: An Ethnography of a MOOC by mprowse</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/2015/02/28/lifestream-post-an-ethnography-of-a-mooc/#comment-173</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sian, There is some really excellent guidance for me here in terms of how I carry this work forward (the project is still very much a &#039;live&#039; one), as I see this area being central in terms of how I am forming my ideas for the final assignment, so we can expect that I will be returning to this theme. Again, really appreciated, thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sian, There is some really excellent guidance for me here in terms of how I carry this work forward (the project is still very much a &#8216;live&#8217; one), as I see this area being central in terms of how I am forming my ideas for the final assignment, so we can expect that I will be returning to this theme. Again, really appreciated, thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on #mscedc Unsuprising in some ways, but &#8216;Celebrity&#8217;/ &#8216;Entertainment&#8217; 50% of &#8216;Education&#8217;? QuillConnect &#8211; Miles Prowse https://t.co/2pqqZcB0ue by mprowse</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/2015/03/05/mscedc-unsuprising-in-some-ways-but-celebrity-entertainment-50-of-education-quillconnect-miles-prowse-httpst-co2pqqzcb0ue/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mprowse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sian, Thanks for your really instructive comment. I&#039;ve created a new post in response. Hope you are having a good week end after quite a week! Inspiration for us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sian, Thanks for your really instructive comment. I&#8217;ve created a new post in response. Hope you are having a good week end after quite a week! Inspiration for us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on #mscedc Unsuprising in some ways, but &#8216;Celebrity&#8217;/ &#8216;Entertainment&#8217; 50% of &#8216;Education&#8217;? QuillConnect &#8211; Miles Prowse https://t.co/2pqqZcB0ue by sbayne</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/2015/03/05/mscedc-unsuprising-in-some-ways-but-celebrity-entertainment-50-of-education-quillconnect-miles-prowse-httpst-co2pqqzcb0ue/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sbayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What did you feel about this report Miles? To me feels like the QuillConnect algorithm is designed to make us feel &#039;good&#039; about our Twitter presence, as long as we&#039;re oriented around some kind of notion of &#039;positivity&#039; and playing the game as a &#039;successful&#039; Twitter user (is your profile filled in? are you using the most influential hashtags?). Are we being &#039;disciplined by algorithms&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did you feel about this report Miles? To me feels like the QuillConnect algorithm is designed to make us feel &#8216;good&#8217; about our Twitter presence, as long as we&#8217;re oriented around some kind of notion of &#8216;positivity&#8217; and playing the game as a &#8216;successful&#8217; Twitter user (is your profile filled in? are you using the most influential hashtags?). Are we being &#8216;disciplined by algorithms&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lifestream Post: An Ethnography of a MOOC by sbayne</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/2015/02/28/lifestream-post-an-ethnography-of-a-mooc/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sbayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lovely film Miles - I read it, in the context of the rest of your piece, as a comment on solitude and isolation in contrast to what sounds like the frenetic activity of the MOOC you discuss. 

I like the way you construct a clear narrative here, which issues from your position within the MOOC as a participant/observer, and which begins to build a story about participation across two different environments - I wanted to hear more about these, and how they developed, though I realise this probably isn&#039;t possible given the scope of the task.

What I did wonder was the extent to which the Futurelearn space, and the Facebook space, might map differently onto Kozinets&#039; notions of &#039;building&#039;, &#039;cruising&#039;, &#039;bonding&#039; and &#039;geeking&#039; communties, as it seems likely  that the different &#039;consumption activity&#039; with which each are concerned would have an affect here. Kozinets suggests that there&#039;s a distinction between:

‘Building&#039; communities (central, unifying interest or activity); 
‘Cruising’ ones (weaker social ties and low centrality of consumption activity)
‘Bonding communities’ (strong social ties but weak centrality of consumption activity)
‘Geeking communities’ (high levels of exchange/consumption but weak social ties)

I wonder to what extent the unifying task of creating the film might define the community as a &#039;building&#039; one, whereas you might expect the less focused Futurelearn social space to constitute as something different?

Like PJ, I&#039;d really like to know how this MOOC activity pans out - I&#039;d love to see the final video once it&#039;s produced. Thanks for a really intriguing ethnographic artefact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely film Miles &#8211; I read it, in the context of the rest of your piece, as a comment on solitude and isolation in contrast to what sounds like the frenetic activity of the MOOC you discuss. </p>
<p>I like the way you construct a clear narrative here, which issues from your position within the MOOC as a participant/observer, and which begins to build a story about participation across two different environments &#8211; I wanted to hear more about these, and how they developed, though I realise this probably isn&#8217;t possible given the scope of the task.</p>
<p>What I did wonder was the extent to which the Futurelearn space, and the Facebook space, might map differently onto Kozinets&#8217; notions of &#8216;building&#8217;, &#8216;cruising&#8217;, &#8216;bonding&#8217; and &#8216;geeking&#8217; communties, as it seems likely  that the different &#8216;consumption activity&#8217; with which each are concerned would have an affect here. Kozinets suggests that there&#8217;s a distinction between:</p>
<p>‘Building&#8217; communities (central, unifying interest or activity);<br />
‘Cruising’ ones (weaker social ties and low centrality of consumption activity)<br />
‘Bonding communities’ (strong social ties but weak centrality of consumption activity)<br />
‘Geeking communities’ (high levels of exchange/consumption but weak social ties)</p>
<p>I wonder to what extent the unifying task of creating the film might define the community as a &#8216;building&#8217; one, whereas you might expect the less focused Futurelearn social space to constitute as something different?</p>
<p>Like PJ, I&#8217;d really like to know how this MOOC activity pans out &#8211; I&#8217;d love to see the final video once it&#8217;s produced. Thanks for a really intriguing ethnographic artefact.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lifestream Post: An Ethnography of a MOOC by njenkins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Miles,

This is a really interesting analysis, and the Facebook page sounds like one of the few &#039;bottom-up&#039; community sites that seemed to work well (there was some chatter about a Facebook site in the MOOC I was looking at but it didn&#039;t seem to go anywhere).  I wonder why it was different in this case ... passion for the topic perhaps?

Lovely film as well, wish I was there! :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Miles,</p>
<p>This is a really interesting analysis, and the Facebook page sounds like one of the few &#8216;bottom-up&#8217; community sites that seemed to work well (there was some chatter about a Facebook site in the MOOC I was looking at but it didn&#8217;t seem to go anywhere).  I wonder why it was different in this case &#8230; passion for the topic perhaps?</p>
<p>Lovely film as well, wish I was there! <img src="https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/mprowse/wp-includes/images/smilies/frownie.png" alt=":-(" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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