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		<title>Comment on Summary and reflections from Ben Williamson&#8217;s presentation by PJ Fameli</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/2015/03/10/summary-of-ben-williamsons-presentation/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ Fameli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, as always, I appreciate your nice synthesis here. I am about half way through, and took a break to read your summary. It is thought-provoking presentation, but I&#039;m finding it tedious that Williamson is basically reading most of the text on every slide. While I am excited by the idea about the potential of &#039;sentient&#039; &#039;universities&#039;, I don&#039;t think the public and educational policies are keeping pace with the exponential advances in technologies. I am not sanguine about inserting &#039;out of control,&#039; buggy&#039; algorithms into the educational system which already has inherent issues and challenges, &#039;algorithmists&#039; &#039;engineering the public.&#039; I&#039;ll try to post a blog of comparable quality to yours above when I&#039;ve finished viewing. Cheers, PJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, as always, I appreciate your nice synthesis here. I am about half way through, and took a break to read your summary. It is thought-provoking presentation, but I&#8217;m finding it tedious that Williamson is basically reading most of the text on every slide. While I am excited by the idea about the potential of &#8216;sentient&#8217; &#8216;universities&#8217;, I don&#8217;t think the public and educational policies are keeping pace with the exponential advances in technologies. I am not sanguine about inserting &#8216;out of control,&#8217; buggy&#8217; algorithms into the educational system which already has inherent issues and challenges, &#8216;algorithmists&#8217; &#8216;engineering the public.&#8217; I&#8217;ll try to post a blog of comparable quality to yours above when I&#8217;ve finished viewing. Cheers, PJ</p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 8 Synthesis by PJ Fameli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ Fameli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy, to your masterful elaborations on Nick&#039;s invocation of James&#039; notion of the &quot;extended self,&quot; my sense is that the notion of &#039;extension&#039; may be too linear and positivist in describing our relation with algorithms; as in &#039;extending our boundaries&#039; or &#039;expanding to full capacity.&#039; Perhaps, &#039;entangled&#039;,  &#039;entanglement&#039;, the &#039;entangled self&#039; is more descriptive of the relationship between the human actor and the algorithmic machine. The human initiates the symbiotic relationship, but it becomes increasingly difficult, problematic to get &#039;disentangled.&#039; Cheers, PJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, to your masterful elaborations on Nick&#8217;s invocation of James&#8217; notion of the &#8220;extended self,&#8221; my sense is that the notion of &#8216;extension&#8217; may be too linear and positivist in describing our relation with algorithms; as in &#8216;extending our boundaries&#8217; or &#8216;expanding to full capacity.&#8217; Perhaps, &#8216;entangled&#8217;,  &#8216;entanglement&#8217;, the &#8216;entangled self&#8217; is more descriptive of the relationship between the human actor and the algorithmic machine. The human initiates the symbiotic relationship, but it becomes increasingly difficult, problematic to get &#8216;disentangled.&#8217; Cheers, PJ</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else getting a whole bunch of spam on their lifestream? Any ideas on how to limit this? #mscedc by sbayne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sbayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about this everyone - I have been getting it too - very annoying. I have put in a request for help to Stuart, our IT support colleague, and will get back on this asap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about this everyone &#8211; I have been getting it too &#8211; very annoying. I have put in a request for help to Stuart, our IT support colleague, and will get back on this asap.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else getting a whole bunch of spam on their lifestream? Any ideas on how to limit this? #mscedc by jdarling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2015 20:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &#039;spam&#039; algorithm is not working for me.  I have been plagued by variations of the same 2 messages for the last week. It has gotten to the point where I have had to turn off notifications as my email account was getting deluged by them :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;spam&#8217; algorithm is not working for me.  I have been plagued by variations of the same 2 messages for the last week. It has gotten to the point where I have had to turn off notifications as my email account was getting deluged by them <img src="https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/wp-includes/images/smilies/frownie.png" alt=":(" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 8 Synthesis by Jeremy Knox</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/2015/03/08/week-8-synthesis/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Knox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really liked the Electric Route stuff here, thanks for sharing! Reminded me of my undergraduate years, where I used an early version of the Max/MSP software to programme various sound effects and other strange bits of software.

Your algorithmic play artefact was great too. The difference between your wish list and purchase lists is quite interesting - its reminded me of the Netflix article (http://www.wired.com/2013/08/qq_netflix-algorithm/), in that they seem interested in what people *say* they watch compared to what they actually watch. This seems like quite a typical psychology experiment - so is are those theories and disciplinary areas dominant amongst &#039;web scientists&#039; and &#039;algorithmists&#039;, I wonder. And what implications might that have for the ways algorithms are set into motion?

Great to pick up on the use of the term &#039;inspired&#039; in reference to the algorithmic operation - particularly given the &#039;you loop&#039; and filter bubble arguments that might interpret these recommendation systems as offering predictability and providing no inspiration at all!

Interesting as well that you cannot say what you actual &#039;like&#039;. So it presumes that a purchase is the same as an endorsement. So, is that just a case of the algorithm needed to become more nuanced? a better algorithm?

Like your points about the extended self in your Storify too. I wondered if you could also say that you *become* algorithmic - in the sense that you chose the options given to you by the algorithm. The algorithm influences your behaviour so that you act in an algorithmic way. I wonder then if the notion of an &#039;extended&#039; self is enough? Doesn&#039;t the algorithm also extend into us? Which is the core, and which is the extension?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really liked the Electric Route stuff here, thanks for sharing! Reminded me of my undergraduate years, where I used an early version of the Max/MSP software to programme various sound effects and other strange bits of software.</p>
<p>Your algorithmic play artefact was great too. The difference between your wish list and purchase lists is quite interesting &#8211; its reminded me of the Netflix article (<a href="http://www.wired.com/2013/08/qq_netflix-algorithm/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/2013/08/qq_netflix-algorithm/</a>), in that they seem interested in what people *say* they watch compared to what they actually watch. This seems like quite a typical psychology experiment &#8211; so is are those theories and disciplinary areas dominant amongst &#8216;web scientists&#8217; and &#8216;algorithmists&#8217;, I wonder. And what implications might that have for the ways algorithms are set into motion?</p>
<p>Great to pick up on the use of the term &#8216;inspired&#8217; in reference to the algorithmic operation &#8211; particularly given the &#8216;you loop&#8217; and filter bubble arguments that might interpret these recommendation systems as offering predictability and providing no inspiration at all!</p>
<p>Interesting as well that you cannot say what you actual &#8216;like&#8217;. So it presumes that a purchase is the same as an endorsement. So, is that just a case of the algorithm needed to become more nuanced? a better algorithm?</p>
<p>Like your points about the extended self in your Storify too. I wondered if you could also say that you *become* algorithmic &#8211; in the sense that you chose the options given to you by the algorithm. The algorithm influences your behaviour so that you act in an algorithmic way. I wonder then if the notion of an &#8216;extended&#8217; self is enough? Doesn&#8217;t the algorithm also extend into us? Which is the core, and which is the extension?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 8 Synthesis by njenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njenkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks PJ!  Electric Route is pretty good isn&#039;t it? :-)
Cheers,
Nick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks PJ!  Electric Route is pretty good isn&#8217;t it? <img src="https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><br />
Cheers,<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else getting a whole bunch of spam on their lifestream? Any ideas on how to limit this? #mscedc by Jeremy Knox</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/2015/03/08/is-anyone-else-getting-a-whole-bunch-of-spam-on-their-lifestream-any-ideas-on-how-to-limit-this-mscedc/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Knox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 17:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Nick,

Yes its annoying! There are things we could do with WordPress to limit spam, but they would also have the unfortunate effect of potentially stopping other people commenting (such as limiting commenting to Edinburgh students, or having a Captcha). I know that we&#039;re not overwhelmed with public interest in the course, but I guess were cautious of doing things that would limit that, as openness is one of the core ideas for EDC. Marking it as &#039;spam&#039; within wordpress is a good way of helping them to combat spam more generally, but I know this gets in the way. Given that a lot of spam is probably automatically generated, I wonder if this is an opportunity to link your troubles with spam to the course themes...? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick,</p>
<p>Yes its annoying! There are things we could do with WordPress to limit spam, but they would also have the unfortunate effect of potentially stopping other people commenting (such as limiting commenting to Edinburgh students, or having a Captcha). I know that we&#8217;re not overwhelmed with public interest in the course, but I guess were cautious of doing things that would limit that, as openness is one of the core ideas for EDC. Marking it as &#8216;spam&#8217; within wordpress is a good way of helping them to combat spam more generally, but I know this gets in the way. Given that a lot of spam is probably automatically generated, I wonder if this is an opportunity to link your troubles with spam to the course themes&#8230;? <img src="https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 8 Synthesis by PJ Fameli</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/2015/03/08/week-8-synthesis/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ Fameli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 13:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, I really enjoyed reading your thoughtful synthesis with Electric Route playing in the background. Cheers, PJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, I really enjoyed reading your thoughtful synthesis with Electric Route playing in the background. Cheers, PJ</p>
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		<title>Comment on Week 8 Synthesis by Week 9: learning analytics and calculating academics &#124; MSc in Digital Education at the University of Edinburgh</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/2015/03/08/week-8-synthesis/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Week 9: learning analytics and calculating academics &#124; MSc in Digital Education at the University of Edinburgh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 10:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] gave a terrific sense of her wider social media ecology, Jin applied these ideas to TED, while Nick’s play in Audible incisively raised some of these ideas in relation to the formation of selfhood. If you’re [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] gave a terrific sense of her wider social media ecology, Jin applied these ideas to TED, while Nick’s play in Audible incisively raised some of these ideas in relation to the formation of selfhood. If you’re [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Living in an Age of Algorithmic Culture by PJ Fameli</title>
		<link>https://edc15.education.ed.ac.uk/njenkins/2015/03/03/living-in-an-age-of-algorithmic-culture-2/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PJ Fameli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, thanks for suggesting video. I watched the whole hour. I will post it on my blog and comment on it as a base for other algorithmic topics this week. The interesting point for me is the notion that algorithms are &#039;invisible&#039; and often don&#039;t reveal themselves until there is a &#039;rupture.&#039; I want to explore the &#039;rupture&#039; theme. Cheers, PJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, thanks for suggesting video. I watched the whole hour. I will post it on my blog and comment on it as a base for other algorithmic topics this week. The interesting point for me is the notion that algorithms are &#8216;invisible&#8217; and often don&#8217;t reveal themselves until there is a &#8216;rupture.&#8217; I want to explore the &#8216;rupture&#8217; theme. Cheers, PJ</p>
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